So it was a law and even then it got changed. "I was somewhat very indirectly negatively affected by the democratic process" is not really a right being taken away and it's nowhere close to a world where we have to be ready to prove our citizenship lest we mistakenly be sent to who knows where for how long, something we both know has happened at least per reporting, 170 times now.

https://www.propublica.org/art...

What? How officers and the state enforce the law can absolutely be done illegally, that's what... that's... that's what we're saying here man.

Jim Sinnegal the founder and was CEO for a long time set a lot of the culture there with regards to how they approach employees and customers.

Of course we need the famous hot dog story

"I came to (Jim Sinegal) once and I said, 'Jim, we can't sell this hot dog for a buck fifty. We are losing our rear ends.' And he said, 'If you raise the effing hot dog, I will kill you. Figure it out.' That's all I really needed. By the way, if you raised (the price) to $1.75, it would not be that big of a deal. People would still buy (it). But it's the mindset that when you think of Costco, you think of the $1.50 hot dog (and soda).

Costco is a reminder that large companies being shitty isn't an inevitability, it is in many ways a choice or the result of lots of choices. Worth thinking about what our society incentives and rewards, this should be the standard rather than the exception.

For me that all counts enough as not hating its customers, especially these days. We all know what this is, at least Aldi isn't trying to hustle me all the time. Aldi and me, we're consenting adults whereas Publix feels like an abusive relationship these days.

Ahh of course, we have to break the law because of Biden! Of course! Doing things the legal way, immigration reform while you control all 3 branches, passing legislation, that's woke and cucked. Secret police forces are needed because Biden!

I may as well be talking to Leavitt herself if I just want talking points and deflections.

And again I'll use your framing, all those illegals, such a big problem. What rights were taken away from you? What can't you do now? You can spend your money how you choose. Associate with whomever you choose. Read whatever you choose.

Yeah sounds pretty fucking stupid now doesn't it.

Well apparently as this whole thread started we apparently should have to consider holding passports in case wants to check my citizenship but really to frame this as only in the realm of what happens to us personally is to miss the point entirely and again is a bit of a dodge sir.

Chances us, the middle age, middle/upper-middle class whites guys are and will probably be fine, me on a red state, you safe in the bluest state. We're always fine, at least for now. Other people exist and might have something to say though.

But it probably won't get as bad as it could as chances are the Democrats will for the third time in a row have to clean up the mess again.

Context, you know what context is right? It could be, depending on how and why it's done. Also, again motherfuckers you were the ones who were supposed to be the fuckin' bulwark against this type of shit, at least that's what you all told us, you need those guns to protect us from the overreaching leftsits. Well wasn't that a crock of shit, look at you know, "don't tread on me" eh, you just love being the boot.

None of those are what I am talking about for what should be obvious reasons. This such bad faith but that's typical isn't it.

Attempt nothing, he's done it and you're in it.

Oh I think we will and we should, as a stark warning for future generations. it's funny you bring up Wilson because he is probably right there in top 5 worst. Trump is giving Andrew Johnson a run and that's saying something.

And it has to say that to you because the angry liberals are right here and I think right in front of our eyes history is proving that so. In fact I look at the "resiters" of Trumps first term who we all called chicken little and eat some crow, they were right. You can say hyperbole all you want but the facts are the facts.

Depends on the circumstances. Now is it the practical move for most to show their ID? Yeah, sure. But If you're just on public streets, not driving and a cop asks you to ID yourself you are under no condition to do so unless the officer has reasonable suspicion. Could they make that up? Sure but also if you don't have it what are they gonna do? They either arrest you or let you go and in just about every state that's unlawful detention. But that's for local and state cops, who have to responsible for their actions (usually)

Also I'd have to ask if you are conservative or not because it's no longer surprising but getting pretty alarming that the conservatives who were so apoplectic for the past 10 years about the idea of "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about" justification for government overreach are so very quick to justify it now.

That shouldn't be principle you just let go of, so now me, the soyboy liberal is fighting for the idea that yes, this is America, you can walk around without ID and if you aren't doing crime then fuck off, you don't get to hassle me.

Sure, this can be true but it is also true only one party is pushing it as far as we are here today. Even after the Patriot Act there was pretty strong bipartisan push back on the idea of a Federal ID system for those very reasons and now it's being made real in only the worst ways. We don't even get the convenience of a real ID system, we just have to ad-hoc it lest the secret police decide to not believe you or are in a bad mood. Only one party supports this state of affairs.

Not really, you see we have a choice in the matter and we chose the more authoritarian one. The man said he was gonna do a bunch of authoritarian shit and we said yes, please sir. You don't get to play the "Oh just how it is" card, there is culpability.

Store the meat in a chest freezer, which you can also get a good deal on at Costco.

That's what the people who want to do it have to figure out, they just can't say "everyone has to carry papers now and have to prove citizenship to authorities" unless it is the law that you are compelled to show ID when requested?

This is just a way of saying "But it's hard work! Can't we just break the law a little to make it easier?"

Here is the essay Federal applicant's have to make now:

How would you help advance the President’s Executive Orders and policy priorities in this role? Identify one or two relevant Executive Orders or policy initiatives that are significant to you, and explain how you would help implement them if hired.

So the easy way to answer your question is did Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton or even Trump1 have anything similar?

So in this world you are advocating here all of us are going to have a passport card on us at all times?

No, it should be considered child abuse to deny a child an education.

Sure but visitors and commuters from NJ (and LI and CT) are exactly who the law is really targeting. Really so far a year in and the plusses seem to be outweighing the minuses. I don't think you can operate a large urban core without one nowadays, particularity in older cities.

Now that is far too logical to ever happen. It is literally 2026 and there is no JFK to Manhattan express train. Unreal.

This isn't real, you are a not a real person, this is not a real conversation. This is just ragebait.

What's that I hear? The sound of someone with no argument?