Thanks are you already familiar or have used it? It feels like a broadly popular method over there but I'd be interested to know if there is pushback.

There's no perfect way around this issue but a lottery feels (and this is about feels) a bit more fair.

I know some people are still rocking 480p DVD's but its 2025 and most films are in HD resolution on BluRay but I do enjoy that DVD has remained the common parlance for disc based video. It'd just a better name.

Bluray may have won the format war but HD-DVD should have remained the name, it's just more natural. Of course watching this years ago I still find myself saying "doovde"

Well the Japan thing is that fan clubs usually get first crack so I guess it's sort off a hybrid system. I wish people would read the thing I posted it addresses a lot of this. The lottery thing isnt just who gets the good tickets but who get tickets at all. Fanclub seems one of the least imperfect ways to do it, like how can the ticketing system determine who is a "real fan"?

The difference with an industry conference is that they rarely if ever "sell out", there's room for everyone and in many cases they are free to attend and charge for classes and extras. The resale issue orbits around price disparity, there is money to be made in resale, sometimes quite a lot.

Airlines is closer but even then for most routes there will be a second flight within hours or later in the day if one is sold out, it's not a one and done. Also airlines is the most inconsistent in regards to price and change policy, plenty of them charge an extra fee just for the ability to refund your ticket later. If anything airline policies which are already regulated need even more, it's a mess.

If there is a reasonable way to implement an ID on ticketing and legally enfoced checks at the venue (they are going to have to get into fights, people will try to game it) I would be peachy with that if it works.

Theres no perfect system here since it's such a diffuse issue, lot of variables taking place and everyone has a different idea of "fair" and thats what this is about, how people feel otherwise it would just be "pay what the market demands", we think in this case that should not apply so its gonna be friction.

That's basically the Japan setup as I read it, purchasers name is printed on the ticket, tickets are mailed and not printed at home.

Only difference is lottery vs FCFS

By all means give us your legislative solution to bar these people from boarding companies. I agree with you on spirit and we're both in wishful land but I think i'm little more grounded here, I have some precedent.

If you got criminal shit on them I am down for it but is there?

Talk about ignoring most of a comment, you really think I have an issue with busting up Ticketmaster from what I have said? I want to reverse the 2010 merger between them and Live Nation. Fuck em, that's not my point at all, you're the one cherry picking now.

You're ignoring this is already working in other places.

You're ignoring the fundamental economic issue of bringing some notion of fairness to an item with no actual value but what people are willing to put on it. Whatever alternative solution you have is going to have to grapple with that reality. You also have to deal with defining fair to begin with, it's impossible for everybody to attend every event they want at a price they want. Impossible.

Busting up TM isn't solving that core issue no matter who sells the tickets (but we should do it anyway).

The 2010 merger should have never been allowed and should be reversed. Fuck em indeed.

How are kids buying concert tickets online on their own? Also it isn't really gambling because if you don't get a ticket you don't actually still pay the money. It's like calling a free sweepstakes gambling, yeah technically but it's missing some critical elements of what the negatives of what we call gambling are. Kids are taught games-of-chance exceedingly early in every society.

Maybe but right now as we speak how big are people fans of the current system of first-come-first-serve, scalping, reselling and price gouging? I mean look at the story we are talking under.

And I do appreciate that but it's at the core of the whole scalper issue is that by doing that they are creating a distorted market since the demand price that people are willing to pay is higher than the sell value so there will always be a black market unless something is done and brute force doesn't seem to be working.

Just as important as the pricing is the first-come-first-serve nature of sales, lottery solves for both.

2013 was a long time ago, Apple's production chains have only gotten better, FoxConn and others have built a lot of manufacturing capacity.

I am not saying this will be the same quality of a top end Macbook, for whatever we think of that, but in terms of fit and finish and feel I bet it will be similar to an Air and that feels nicer than most cheap windows laptops.

They've also been prepping their customers for this for a long time. When we say features what do we mean? This is going to be a keybaord, trackpad and display with 2 USB-C ports, maybe only 1. That's it and I would be very surprised if they didn't launch with a 16hr+ battery life, that's an area Apple still (sadly) dominates on.

Concert I went to just this week used DICE for tickets which were phone only and the code only shows up 2 hours before doors open but you can resell on their app, which seems similar to what you're saying.

Oddly for this venue though once we showed up nobody actually scanned it, we just walked in but that's neither here nor there...

Yeah for sure that's a concern but I am banking on a couple things:

1. People will want to see *their* show in their town that's happening that night and probably even as it's happening or not long after.
2. By nature of paying it would probably be on a token/login system so a pirate would have to pay for that show to get it, which they would be willing to do in many cases..
3. That pirates wouldn't be too inclined to rip every show every night since that becomes a lot of work and for your smaller or midrange bands it's just not worth the effort when most folks are gonna wait for the actual concert film (if there is one).

Your T Swifts and really big name artists, it's got different issues for sure but they are making so much bank I'd like to see them do it for free (like my example above) but thats wishful thinking.

I just think it's an interesting idea and one I would take advantage of. I think the key would be what the cost of doing it is or what a service would charge a band and venue and then how many would need it to be profitable for all parties. That said I am definitely not ready to walk into a bank with my business plan on this one yet.

True, I should have gotten to that as well since we are talking what would have to be laws basically but yeah the Live Nation/Ticketmaster thing of owning venues and being the exclusive seller and charging the fees and the whole thing is rotten for sure.

If we are talking about a corporate bust-up of the company I am certainly down

Ehh phones have gotten way better but it's no substitute for getting the sound off the board and some real videography.

I am biased since i love the band but look at what KGATLW does for free, this a concert from last night. Sounds great, looks great, everything's in focus and the bass isn't blowing out the tiny mic.

Is it a substitute for the real live experience? Of course not but it's not really a comparison between streaming and the live show since those are incomparable but between streaming and nothing. For the band if they've sold out it's $20 for my streaming ticket or $0.

Last story on Ticketmaster a poster here mentioned that in Japan for large events they do a lottery system and did a little digging and it seems like an interesting idea.

Personally I think it's maybe the only possible solution to this issue. It simply comes down to the fact that concerts are a once-in-a-lifetime type event and will always be limited, a performer can only do so many shows so you are guaranteed a distorted market.

https://www.japanconcertticket...

The alternative here is an actual free market (which works in this case as this total luxury-good territory, nobody requires a concert to live) where everything is auction based and concerts are no longer something for every-man but something you only do on special occasions since high profile ones are going to be very expensive, which feels shitty but that's reality of what the demand is.

I personally would like to see performers do more multi-dates in cities when shows sell out, like if it's sold out and say a waitlist can fill another show, do another show. Of course that's easy for me to say, I'm not the one doing it.

Another thing I would love to see more of is virtual tickets where I could buy a streaming ticket for the night and watch the show from home. I think it would take some of the sting out of not being able to get tickets or afford them. Some bands like King Gizzard just livestream the shows on Youtube for free which is pretty cool but live shows are the moneymaker for a lot bands but if I could buy a streaming pass for $20 I'd be inclined to do it. Of course then you might have an issue where the show is 1/2 empty because everyone did it.